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it's not a way around the miranda ruling. the miranda ruling requires all government agencies to tell you before they ask you a question you don't have to answer it. the obama administration has taken a radical approach to the miranda rule by coming out of nowhere with this 48 hour rule that doesn't exist in any statute and no court has permitted it. >> going to regret it? >> i think they will. bass opposite they start using it there will be no stop to it. >> shepard: investigators want to talk with the wife of the older bombing suspect. are lawyer says she won't be able to tell them much because she had no idea he was up to anything until she saw he was a suspect on television. that part of the story is next. updating our breaking news. authorities in canada are expected to announce multiple arrests relate toad what they're calling a major bomb plot. we're now getting conflicting reports about whether new york city was on a target list. sources telling fox news, at laos one man was arrested in quebec, another in ontario. tha
it's not a way around the miranda ruling. the miranda ruling requires all government agencies to tell you before they ask you a question you don't have to answer it. the obama administration has taken a radical approach to the miranda rule by coming out of nowhere with this 48 hour rule that doesn't exist in any statute and no court has permitted it. >> going to regret it? >> i think they will. bass opposite they start using it there will be no stop to it. >> shepard:...
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i do not care if you read people their miranda rights, but do not shut down the intelligence gathering process. on the way he agreed to cooperate is the fbi flew to his family and his parents convinced him. hadtimes square bomber, he pakistan taliban ties and was read his miranda -- render rights and we never interrogating him for intelligence gathering purpose. osama bin laden's father-in-law was never designate and -- and an enemy -- son in law was never designated an enemy combatants. can you imagine what he could tell us? he was the spokesman for al qaeda after 9/11. there was a disturbing pattern of not gathering intelligence when that opportunity exists. i will grab a pen and pad and we will go next door and i will answer questions about what you have about the fbi. we're way to observe a moment of silence here for the folks in boston. >> she was very bright, very political, which is why she and lincoln got together in the first place. she spoke several languages fluently. she was extremely well educated. she had all of these things going for her, but she had suffered a series of
i do not care if you read people their miranda rights, but do not shut down the intelligence gathering process. on the way he agreed to cooperate is the fbi flew to his family and his parents convinced him. hadtimes square bomber, he pakistan taliban ties and was read his miranda -- render rights and we never interrogating him for intelligence gathering purpose. osama bin laden's father-in-law was never designate and -- and an enemy -- son in law was never designated an enemy combatants. can...
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. >> no miranda warning could you explain that? >> the fbi may want to explain that in a federal issue. >> had the boat then searched earlier in the day? >> know it had not. rights no miranda warning. >> there is a public safety exemption in cases of national security and potential charges involving acts of terrorism. the government has the opportunity right now, though i believe the suspect has been taken to a hospital. thank you. >> [indiscernible] >> this is still an ongoing investigation. we will be reviewing all of the evidence. before that canada decision is made, in terms of whether or not to seek the death penalty, you review all of the evidence and it is a very thoughtful, on process that is engaged. it is the attorney general of the department of justice that make that final decision. >> [indiscernible] straight to the boat. can you talk about what happens when you are on the scene, was he moving around? how did you know there was a chance to take him into custody ? >> we know he did not go straight to the goat area on th
. >> no miranda warning could you explain that? >> the fbi may want to explain that in a federal issue. >> had the boat then searched earlier in the day? >> know it had not. rights no miranda warning. >> there is a public safety exemption in cases of national security and potential charges involving acts of terrorism. the government has the opportunity right now, though i believe the suspect has been taken to a hospital. thank you. >> [indiscernible] >>...
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miranda rights read. so he may well cooperate and this may well all have a happy ending and i hope it does and i hope everything works out just fine. there is at least a chance that some information will be lost because of this and it seems to me that when you have an attack of this kind related to muslim extremism as this plainly is especially in the case of the older brother perhaps in the case of this young man as well that intelligence is critical and ought to be a priority. >> bret: yuan, we don't know what if anything he has told investigators up until he was read his miranda rights. that's what we don't know. he is clearly not speaking because of the injury. but, your thoughts? >> i was going to make the point that you made, which is that we don't know what he said before he was read his miranda rights. and it would indicate from the fact that he is nodding that maybe he wasn't able to speak. maybe, i don't know but that's my assumption based on the transcript. i will say i don't think the presiden
miranda rights read. so he may well cooperate and this may well all have a happy ending and i hope it does and i hope everything works out just fine. there is at least a chance that some information will be lost because of this and it seems to me that when you have an attack of this kind related to muslim extremism as this plainly is especially in the case of the older brother perhaps in the case of this young man as well that intelligence is critical and ought to be a priority. >> bret:...
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all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done before in american history to have some sort of hybrid combatant and criminal proceeding. we do know from jake tapper's reporting, there was an interrogation of tsavraev. and he did disclose his position that there was no broader conspiracy here. just him and his pressure. it seems like the justice department and the fbi have done the kind of interrogation that at least -- that lindsey graham seems to want to have been done, perhaps not as extensive as it might have been. but there was a premiranda interrogation and authorities can work with that, at least now going forward. >> i think that's a fair point.
all of this is moot right now, because as you know, yesterday, he was formally given his miranda rights and a judge magistrate at his bed side with a court-appointed attorney, a public defender. this is moot as the obama administration has made its decision. is lindsey graham on sound legal ground, saying he should be tried in a civilian court, but held and questioned as an enemy combatant? >> i think the only fair answer to that question is we don't know. because it's never been done...
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osama bin laden's son and law is in federal court -- the federal system today, was read his miranda rights. he has never been designated. can you imagine what a sum of bin laden's son in law can tell us about the terrorist organization put he was the spokesman after 9/11. there is a disturbing pattern of not gathering intelligence when that opportunity exists. they care very much. i have to go. we will go next door to answer any questions that you have about the act by and we are going to observe a moment of silence for the folks in boston. [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2013] [captioning performed by national captioning institute] >> stakeholders testified on capitol hill on the immigration bill. john mccain, chuck schumer, dick durbin, lindsey graham, robert menendez, marker rubio, jeff flake, and michael bennett are the architects of the legislation. >> about the problems with the program, and i am happy we will find a way with this improved program to make this work better. sometimes the alphabet soup of immigration programs and the endless rules can get confusing.
osama bin laden's son and law is in federal court -- the federal system today, was read his miranda rights. he has never been designated. can you imagine what a sum of bin laden's son in law can tell us about the terrorist organization put he was the spokesman after 9/11. there is a disturbing pattern of not gathering intelligence when that opportunity exists. they care very much. i have to go. we will go next door to answer any questions that you have about the act by and we are going to...
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not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in the meantime before you offer miranda rights, get some of america's best interrogators in there and you find out what this guy knows. is he connected to a larger cell? are there pending attacks? are there foreign links? where did the training come from? how did you learn to make the bombs? basic simple questions this we need to know because the safety and security of the american people in this case i think are paramount. >> sean, do you know who gave him his miranda rights? >> i don't know exactly who but we were told he was. >> a federal judge, a magistrate
not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in...
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there is a lot of truth, wait waive to give miranda rights. defense attorneys will do that inevitablely in a case like this especially where it's going to be what he says. >> megyn: the obligation is to protect his client, not to protect us. you need to have somebody looking out for you. he did, he did some things right after the break when our panel continues. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! >>. >> megyn: back mercedes and mark according to some reports, not independently confirmed he is claiming by writing out answers because he can't speak that well that his brother, his older brother wanted
there is a lot of truth, wait waive to give miranda rights. defense attorneys will do that inevitablely in a case like this especially where it's going to be what he says. >> megyn: the obligation is to protect his client, not to protect us. you need to have somebody looking out for you. he did, he did some things right after the break when our panel continues. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with...
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there's too much misinformation about miranda. we're looking at it based on television programs tv series. if there's a miranda violation, that means that that statement that individual made can't be used in a court of law against him. however, this individual -- julian is right, the fbi is gathering that -- they already said they took full responsibility to it to the person whose car they carjacked. all they mean is statements you get are admissible. it's an affirmative defense on an evidentiary point. >> so your point is, just so i can clarify, your point is, we can still very likely put this guy in jail, or get the death penalty, whatever we decide. we may not need any of these statements against him in court. why not interrogate him for public safety reasons longs as long as we want? >> jay is right. the guy confessed in the carjacking. the terror suspect confessed to being the boston bomber. tim think mcveigh was mirandized. there isn't a problem here, which is why i'm surprised that senator graham, senator mccain and others
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miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing, yes, nothing about the trip and tonight the fbi and homeland security briefing lawmakers. congressman jason chase is on the house homeland security committee. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> can you clarify or do you know whether or not he mentioned going out of the united states? there's some confusion over what senator lindsay graham said and what the secretary said. >> i don't know what the secretary means when she said ping. what is clear to me from my past experience, the united states of america has no viable entry-exit system. we aren't able to track people as
miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing,...
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jon: to that end are you okay with him not being read his miranda rights? >> i am. at this point i think it's perfectly time. jenna: the 19-year-old suspect was captured friday night in watertown found hiding in a boat parked in the backyard moments after police said the trail had gone cold. molly line is live outside the hospital in boston. what do we actually know about the suspect's condition today? >> well, dzhokhar tsarnaev is still inside the hospital under heavy guard, in serious condition but table stable ae stable according to local sources here. we are expected to hear from the u.s. attorney's office possibly as early as today on charges. there are varying reports about his ability to communicate. some have said he's been able to write things down, that is not confirmed through official fbi sources or the hospital staff on hand. we know from a high-ranking lawmaker that dzhokhar suffered a gunshot wound 0 to his throat, and they are not saying at this time whether it was self-inflicted. he had a considerable blood loss in the community of watertown during
jon: to that end are you okay with him not being read his miranda rights? >> i am. at this point i think it's perfectly time. jenna: the 19-year-old suspect was captured friday night in watertown found hiding in a boat parked in the backyard moments after police said the trail had gone cold. molly line is live outside the hospital in boston. what do we actually know about the suspect's condition today? >> well, dzhokhar tsarnaev is still inside the hospital under heavy guard, in...
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read him his miranda rights and let the criminal justice work. that's what we do in america. >> you think this needs to happen by the end of today at this point? >> once the fbi is able to ascertain whether or not there are continued threats to public safety, they should not expand further public safety exemptions. to do so is going to get their nick nice knickers in a twist. look at the 9/11 defendants. we tortured them, held them in secret prisons. we still have not prosecuted the alleged master minds of the 9/11 attacks. if boston wants and all of america wants justy, the best way is to let the criminal justice system kick up and work. to make it up as we go along is foolhardy, unconstitutional, and frankly really un-american. >> anthony romero, executive director for the aclu. thank you for coming on the show this morning, sharing your views. appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> we're expecting to get an update, by the way, any minute now on the conditions of some of the boston bombing victims who are still in the hospital. >>> plus, how should t
read him his miranda rights and let the criminal justice work. that's what we do in america. >> you think this needs to happen by the end of today at this point? >> once the fbi is able to ascertain whether or not there are continued threats to public safety, they should not expand further public safety exemptions. to do so is going to get their nick nice knickers in a twist. look at the 9/11 defendants. we tortured them, held them in secret prisons. we still have not prosecuted the...
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don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably see the rand pauls, the far right come around and defend his rights and vice versa, but this is something that we saw fought over time and time again when george bush was president. ironically, three republican senators or at least the two, mccain and graham were defending the liberal point of view saying don't torture. >> the argument, should the suspect be treated as part of al qaeda and taliban basically. it was authorization for use of force. the question is does it even apply? >> right. >> and will it matter. and then the other question you're going to get to is if we had been warned by t
don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably...
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h these questions can be maintained if he does not get his miranda rights. that is going to expire in will 48-hours. >> he says the agency is getting a lot of outside pressure to mir ran dies him. mir ran dieing him may jeopardize what they can use for him in court. they should hold off as long as possible to gter as much information as possible. >>> time now for your 5@5:00. 5 people are dead after a shooting in an apartment complex in seattle including a suspect. police responded to a shooting in federal way when two men were injured in a parking lot. officers moved to assist them. that's when they opened fire. a man and a woman also found dead inside of an apartment. there's no word on what sparked the shooting. >> four more victims have been identified from the deadly fert liedzer plant explosion. among them two brothers doug and robert newcastle both firefighters. >> both brothers were ready to serve neighbors in their time of need. they were the first in the emergency situation. robert and doug were more than just brothers. they were lifelong best frie
h these questions can be maintained if he does not get his miranda rights. that is going to expire in will 48-hours. >> he says the agency is getting a lot of outside pressure to mir ran dies him. mir ran dieing him may jeopardize what they can use for him in court. they should hold off as long as possible to gter as much information as possible. >>> time now for your 5@5:00. 5 people are dead after a shooting in an apartment complex in seattle including a suspect. police...
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bill: are you okay with him not being read his miranda rights? >> i am. at this point i think it's perfectly fine. again i don't think it matters under what exception. you can always mirandize this individual, but the important thing is that get the information now. bill: i have not heard a lot of people disagree with that. >> think about the opposite what if they had read him the miranda rights and what if he had clammed up and what if there, god forbid been another attack that we could have seen coming if we had questioned the guy. just think of the conversation if there was a second attack that we could have prevented because we let the guy clam up. bill: this particular decision was broadened two years and and changed by executive order. that is something the president put in action in case you would have an event like this. that you could possibly have active, ongoing terror attacks or threats of terror attacks that could endanger the safety of the public. >> that's why i think he's done the right thing by not giving him the ability to be quiet. we n
bill: are you okay with him not being read his miranda rights? >> i am. at this point i think it's perfectly fine. again i don't think it matters under what exception. you can always mirandize this individual, but the important thing is that get the information now. bill: i have not heard a lot of people disagree with that. >> think about the opposite what if they had read him the miranda rights and what if he had clammed up and what if there, god forbid been another attack that we...
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. >> i think the miranda issue is an easier issue. he doesn't have to be mar lindaized for a lot of reason. first of all, they have enough evidence to convict him without getting a confession from him. all miranda gets you is a confession you can use in court. you can use that information for everything else. remember, he confessed already to the guy they kidnapped. the guy he kidnapped says, these two guys told us, we did the bombing. they got great witness and they got a great confession. maybe even better than a law enforcement confession where you can claim it was forced out of you. they gave a upon takenious confession -- spontaneous confession. >> bob wants to get in here. so then why did they need to make that statement? i'm trying to figure out why they made that statement? >> i don't know exactly why they made it. maybe because they got so much criticism -- remember the christmas morning bomber that they mirandaized right away, lost the opportunity to get information from him? so i think maybe they were playing defense. >> le
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they've chosen to question him without reading him miranda rights. what does that mean for any information they might be getting? >> well, it's very important to the people -- we've been talking a lot about miranda and i think it's important for people to understand what it does and doesn't mean. if you are questioned without your miranda rights, all that means is that the statements you make cannot be used against you in a criminal court. they can be used against other people. they can be used as leads to other inquiries. and you can still be prosecuted with lots of other evidence. all it means is that those statements cannot be used against you. from what it certainly appears there is lots of other evidence against this fellow. so the fact that the government might be giving up the chance to use some of it is not much of a sacrifice on the part of the government. >> he also at this point could indicate he wants an attorney and doesn't want to answer any questions, correct? >> absolutely. even when someone doesn't get miranda rights, the statements
they've chosen to question him without reading him miranda rights. what does that mean for any information they might be getting? >> well, it's very important to the people -- we've been talking a lot about miranda and i think it's important for people to understand what it does and doesn't mean. if you are questioned without your miranda rights, all that means is that the statements you make cannot be used against you in a criminal court. they can be used against other people. they can...
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it's different from the miranda warning. the other thing. don't forget, if he is not given the miranda warning what the worst thing that can happen? you don't think they have a case without the statement. >> megyn: they have videotape of him placing the bomb. >> they make a calculated decision, getting lawyered up or going forward and getting the bad guys that are still out there. >> megyn: it will be tough to find a jury not willing to convict. death penalty versus not. we're getting overhead shot of the boat where the suspect was last night. this one is less clear. we're going put these on the screen. why is the boston public defender's office so anxious to get involved. >> probably running to the ideological on to the cynical. >> megyn: you think they are unhappy he hasn't been given miranda yet? >> good point. even if he had been given it and made statements and it's a slam-dunk case on video. they knead don't need any of it. >> megyn: so a confession in terms of figuring out the larger war on terror. >> it's a legitimate exception but a
it's different from the miranda warning. the other thing. don't forget, if he is not given the miranda warning what the worst thing that can happen? you don't think they have a case without the statement. >> megyn: they have videotape of him placing the bomb. >> they make a calculated decision, getting lawyered up or going forward and getting the bad guys that are still out there. >> megyn: it will be tough to find a jury not willing to convict. death penalty versus not. we're...
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if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that tells us about the accused bomber and the case. jason, tell us what happens, it is fascinating. >> it really is and it is an nine page transcript we got hold of. what i can tell you is this proceeding lasted about ten or 15 minutes, started about 11:30 this morning. all of the key figures came into the hospital room and all of them introduce themselves. you had the u.s. judge there and attorneys from both sides. a court reporter there as well. and everyone present wanted to make sure that he knew exactly what was going on, know about the charges that he is facing. let me read you some of the key sec
if it was given prior to the reading of his miranda rights, it would probably be unlikely they would use that against him in court. if it was used voluntarily afterwards, likely he would. about the fact he has lawyered up, most likely we could send the information probably came prior to his reading of the miranda rights. we don't know that right now. >> thank you very much indeed. an extraordinary court session took place inside his hospital room. a transcript of that hearing tonight that...
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meanwhile, senators john mccain and lindsey graham say the injured suspect is not, not entitled to his miranda rights. they want dzhokhar tsarnaev to be treated as an enemy combatant. and the transit police officer injured in a shootout with the suspects remains in critical condition. don't forget about this hero. officer richard donahue being treated for a single gunshot wound. meanwhile, authorities are still looking at another disaster further south, way further south, trying to get to the bottom of what caused that blast at the fertilizer plant in west, texas. fox'sdom nick is there with the -- dominic is there with 14 dead. >> 200 injured. we understand from the authorities that 14 bodies have been recovered. they do not expect that number to rise much, if at all. 13 critically ill in hospital. it's unclear now on day three after the disaster how many of those will pull through. they think most of them actually will. the bodies of those that have been recovered from the site here in west have been taken to dallas for forensics. those that were most closest to the epicenter of the site, di
meanwhile, senators john mccain and lindsey graham say the injured suspect is not, not entitled to his miranda rights. they want dzhokhar tsarnaev to be treated as an enemy combatant. and the transit police officer injured in a shootout with the suspects remains in critical condition. don't forget about this hero. officer richard donahue being treated for a single gunshot wound. meanwhile, authorities are still looking at another disaster further south, way further south, trying to get to the...
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i think the discussion about miranda is sue superfluous. some say it deter arrives from the fifth amendment and not from the warning and given the prevalence of it i don't think there's a person who doesn't know they have a right to remain silent. to think just because this young man was very intelligent and educated didn't know he had the right to remain silent because he was not given the miranda is silly. the fundamental issue is the paradigm in which we treat people in this instance facts as the attorney from the aclu point outs and i have to point out i'm not a huge fan of the aclu but i have to agree. we have an american citizen on american soil and to strip him of constitutional rights is preposterous. the supreme court has spoken to this after the civil war and they ruled that when the courts were open the right of habeas corpus couldn't be suspended. i'm a soldier and when you misuse the laws of war you endanger people like me on the battlefield. there are instances when terrorists are enemy combatants. this is not one of them. gue
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for least 48 hours before miranda rights we given to him. lou: he was also under heavy sedation. i am not sure we can call that interrogation. >> we really don't know. if you recall there was not much said after he was arrested and nobody released information on his medical status at that particular point*. lou: we do know for a fact he had multiple gunshot unds and was near bleeding out as the expression goes. he was in very bad shape. but now let's turn to chicago. we have a situation since a 1978, a chicago police arresting shimmy my nails, 390 times since 1978. 83 alias common 92 theft. 65 disorderly conduct. what in the world is going on? >> accommodation, i don't know but it's a combination of a failure in the government, a failure of the jail system and a mental health problem. when you combine all three of those issues together this is what happens. this is not your typical situation. this is so extraordinary. when you have the problems this woman had with the overcrowding in the illinois state prison system. >> get has to cost a fortune. >> and you see the revolving door
for least 48 hours before miranda rights we given to him. lou: he was also under heavy sedation. i am not sure we can call that interrogation. >> we really don't know. if you recall there was not much said after he was arrested and nobody released information on his medical status at that particular point*. lou: we do know for a fact he had multiple gunshot unds and was near bleeding out as the expression goes. he was in very bad shape. but now let's turn to chicago. we have a situation...
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the magistrate issues the miranda warning. always the magistrate issues the miranda warning. and the part where it says if you can't afford to hire a lawyer, the court will give you one. that's the guy who gives it. the magistrate. >> on the answers, if you do get answers from a terrorist suspect, how do you distinguish between honest applies and appli applies, and reapplies that go to the investigation. >> that's for the investigators. can they determine if he is lying and the follow-up. >> all right. thank you so much for those insights. up next, the international connection. a whole host of theories about the boller's motives. what if anything did his beck ground play? ♪ if loving you is wrong ♪ i don't wanna be right [ record scratch ] what?! it's not bad for you. it just tastes that way. [ female announcer ] honey nut cheerios cereal -- heart-healthy, whole grain oats. you can't go wrong loving it. plays a key role throughout our lives. one a day men's 50+ is a complete multivitamin designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has 7 antioxidants to support cell h
the magistrate issues the miranda warning. always the magistrate issues the miranda warning. and the part where it says if you can't afford to hire a lawyer, the court will give you one. that's the guy who gives it. the magistrate. >> on the answers, if you do get answers from a terrorist suspect, how do you distinguish between honest applies and appli applies, and reapplies that go to the investigation. >> that's for the investigators. can they determine if he is lying and the...
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after an initial appearance before a federal magistrate from his hospital bed, where he was read his miranda rights, the 19-year-old charged with one count of using and conspiring to use a weapons of mass destruction of resulting in death. and one count of malicious different stru-- ofproperty, tha maximum penalty of death, federal complain reveals that the tsarnaev brothers were residing in the nation legally, dzhokhar's older brother, tamerlan who was killed friday morning was a lawful permanent resident, one of the two told a carjacking victim thursday night they were the boston marathon bombers, a search of dzhokhar's umass dartmouth dorm room turned up a hat and jacket corne jack y suspect number 2. tsarnaev remains hospitalized at beth israel hospital with gunshot wounds to his head, neck, legs and hands, authorities believe one was sev-inflicted in -- self-inflectioned in a botched suicide attempt. >> canadian authorities announcing in connection with fbi they have broken up a terrorist plot to blow up a passenger train and bridge somewhere between toronto and u.s. border. a ballot th
after an initial appearance before a federal magistrate from his hospital bed, where he was read his miranda rights, the 19-year-old charged with one count of using and conspiring to use a weapons of mass destruction of resulting in death. and one count of malicious different stru-- ofproperty, tha maximum penalty of death, federal complain reveals that the tsarnaev brothers were residing in the nation legally, dzhokhar's older brother, tamerlan who was killed friday morning was a lawful...
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he's already been read his miranda rights by the fbi. but if he does have some sort of a political issue, some sort of a grudge that he wants people to know about, he may feel it's in his best interest to talk and that is certainly what law enforcement is hoping. they still want to find out are there other suspects, are there people who were accomplices in one way or another, either at helping to plan the bombing, helping plan the subsequent activities, helping plan the manufacture of this device. they want to know why these people did this and more importantly, how they went about doing it, any other people of foreign or domestic, they were in contact with and if he starts to talk, that will obviously help the investigation tremendously. >> anderson, you've done a great job today. thank you very much for now. i want to turn to cnn's brian todd in watertown, who shot exclusive video of the boat while the bombing suspect was still inside it. brian, a quite dramatic end game here to what has been an appalling few days for the people of wat
he's already been read his miranda rights by the fbi. but if he does have some sort of a political issue, some sort of a grudge that he wants people to know about, he may feel it's in his best interest to talk and that is certainly what law enforcement is hoping. they still want to find out are there other suspects, are there people who were accomplices in one way or another, either at helping to plan the bombing, helping plan the subsequent activities, helping plan the manufacture of this...
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you've been hearing a lot about miranda rights. there's issue at play here that need to be clarified. we're going to read a couple of the things said from the hearing. we have the transcript. the judge said, quoting here, you have been charged with one use of a weapon often mass destruction and malicious destruction of property resulting in death. the case is being prosecuted in part by william weinreb. the maximum penalty on each count is death or imprisonment for any terms of years, or life. and there was this finding from the judge, and this one is important. quote, i find that the defendant is alert, mentally competent, and lucid. he is aware of the nature of the proceedings. okay? so that is the basis for the discussion. joined by retired superior court judge isaac borenstein in boston. he's done hospital visits over his 22 years as a judge. let us begin with the idea, confusion and frustration about miranda rights. give them right away, if you don't give them, then this prosecution is astray. what is the basic understanding o
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jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national security legal system where we can interview him without a lawyer to gather intelligence to prevent a future attack, rather than having to negotiate through his lawyer to get any information. jenna: but, if i could, senator, there seems to be a lot of discrepancy about some of the information come being out about this investigation. >> right. jenna: we've all seen it, you know, played out on the news and otherwise. i would like to drill down a little bit into an even change you just had about the boston terror attacks with the s*epbg o secretary of home land se
jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national...
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it allows the justice department to delay reading a suspect his miranda rights if doing so is in the interest of -- quote -- "public safety." the administration had rightly invoked this public safety exception in the case of the boston suspect which provided our national security professionals a discreet period of time to gather intelligence from the suspect without the presence of his lawyer. however, soon after questioning him this way, the administration recently reversed itself and read the suspect his miranda rights. in doing so, the administration, in my view, gave up a valuable opportunity to lawfully and thoroughly question the suspect for purposes of gathering intelligence about potential future terrorist plots. whether we will be able to acquire such information has now been left entirely at the discretion of the suspect and his lawyer. put simply, the suspect has been told he has the right to remain silent, and if he doesn't want to provide intelligence, he doesn't have to. is this a responsible balance between a citizen's rights and our national security? the suspect had
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and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have outside help, do you think? >> that's an excellent question. i'm sure in the coming days and weeks, law enforcement, the press will uncover virtually every aspect of the lives of these individuals, including the answer to that question. i do know that it is relatively and probably shockingly easy to assemble the components to make a bomb from things you can obtain in the united states. and there are terrorist organizations overseas that have instructions online for how to do that. and so it's something that we ought to look carefully at from the law enforcement p
and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have...
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the miranda warning says you amendment right. if the information you provide, information this may save lives prevent terrorist acts in the future, can't be used not in you, you are danger of self-incrimination. used it would is still be habeas corpus right. so what we are saying and what he is saying and i think it is rong there is no such thing as global jihadist movement. i think the evidence of that is we will treat d somebody who commits an act of brutal terrorism as a criminal them to lawyer up and say don't say a word, information,hem any we will deal later and i think i think this is illful blindness and reckless in regard to the people who may foruture.ctims in the guest: responding to the caller, i think what you are saying is i hear it t because from other people in the military. a purpose. war have if we unlawfully seek to expand that purpose we harm only armed forces, ur who are legitimately carrying in limited nflict particular areas in afghanistan. and the constitutional right would have been violated here had we h
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there is no need for miranda warning in this case. >> if they were to read the miranda rights and say you have the right to remain silent, right to attorney, let's say he gets a public defender or another attorney volunteers to help him, you're a graduate of harvard law school. you know the first thing any lawyer will say to his or her client shut up. don't say anything else. >> we'll see. this is going to unfold slowly now. it's important for people to remember the big statement last night was commitment by the administration they'll go through normal criminal justice process. we have criminal statutes. >> instead of declaring him enemy combatant. >> i personally think it's absurd to be honest. he's here. he is u.s. citizenship and all of the evidence is necessary and it's an important statement especially after what the city went through to say, yep, now you're just a normal criminal and we're going to put you through the process. this national security exception i agree with tom, we do not know a lot of facts about the motivation and whether they had more plans for people. a lot of
there is no need for miranda warning in this case. >> if they were to read the miranda rights and say you have the right to remain silent, right to attorney, let's say he gets a public defender or another attorney volunteers to help him, you're a graduate of harvard law school. you know the first thing any lawyer will say to his or her client shut up. don't say anything else. >> we'll see. this is going to unfold slowly now. it's important for people to remember the big statement...
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mccain and graham says the injured suspect is not entitled to his miranda rights. they want him to be treated as an enemy combatant. it's a non-debate for him. the mother-in-law she is sickened by the horror inflicted. the family realizes now they never really new tamerian tsarnaev, the suspect number one and cannot begin to comprehend this tragedy. we are all over the developments including something going on in the city of chicago. more on that in a second. here is what we got for you now. mike tobin in watertown, massachusetts. what is the latest on the investigation there. ed henry at the white house responding to all these crosscurrents everywhere. to eric shawn where the injured suspect remains not surprisingly under heavy guard. mike? >> reporter: neil, this is the i dill i can neighborhood where it came to an end in a blaze of gunfire. the view of the helicopter pilot had there was someone hiding in that boat. he was wounded and bleeding, dzhokar tsarnaev half an hour from the cover of night that could have allowed him to move again. there were federal agen
mccain and graham says the injured suspect is not entitled to his miranda rights. they want him to be treated as an enemy combatant. it's a non-debate for him. the mother-in-law she is sickened by the horror inflicted. the family realizes now they never really new tamerian tsarnaev, the suspect number one and cannot begin to comprehend this tragedy. we are all over the developments including something going on in the city of chicago. more on that in a second. here is what we got for you now....
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miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's extremely rare. i do criminal defense work. i can tell you, the most you can hope for in a miranda case is one or two statements will not make it into court. it's rare the whole case falls out unless everything -- >> so it's not the poison fruit thing? >> there is a poison fruit provision, standard. but it's very rare for it to pollute an entire case. >> let me ask you practically, why don't the law enforcement officials, the federal officials up there who have him in custody at the hospital, why didn't they just do this
miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's...
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miranda is not a huge obstacle to get people cooperate. typically they realize once they are caught that they have to cooperate in order to make things better for themselves. the idea that miranda presents some huge obstacle to gain cooperation is not true, number one. number two, there are many avenues and many tools that the f.b.i. to have conduct investigations. >> megyn: here is the concern. what if he lawyers up. what if he lawyers up and then refused to answer any more questions before we gotten everything we need to know. we want to follow up and you know as well as i do, lawyers will tell him, keep your mouth shut. >> actually david who ran the national security division that the opposite was true. often having the attorney involved makes it easier to explain to the defendant why it is in his interests to cooperate. i don't think that is necessarily true. certainly, the f.b.i. has broad authorities especially a case like thishere we know heinous act has happened to use various tools. there are often many ways to get information. >>
miranda is not a huge obstacle to get people cooperate. typically they realize once they are caught that they have to cooperate in order to make things better for themselves. the idea that miranda presents some huge obstacle to gain cooperation is not true, number one. number two, there are many avenues and many tools that the f.b.i. to have conduct investigations. >> megyn: here is the concern. what if he lawyers up. what if he lawyers up and then refused to answer any more questions...
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essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy be. the shoe bomber obviously now serving life, but did not get the death penalty because of your defense. what can the defense possibly do? >> well, they're going to be focused on mitigation at this point, thinking about the possibility of the death penalty. they're going to be looking into his background. they're going to be having him evaluated, potentially, by, you know, forensic evaluations, by psychologists. they're going to be looking at his state of mind. >> it seems like the defense may try to say he was under the influence of his older brother and be some way to mitigate his defense or say he is brainwas
essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy...
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but at some point in time, go with miranda, that's fine. but in the initial stages, we don't want to repeat with the underwear bomber. >> brian: which is hours after, he lawyered up and shut up. >> this idea combatant versus criminal, i'm not particularly in the enemy combatant point from everything i'm hearing. >> gretchen: let me ask you about the cameras. so many people were fascinated by the amazing work the f.b.i. did do initially and going through hundreds and thousands of images, finding these two guys. is this a call now for more cameras in big cities? >> certainly. this is an evolution. i'm just back from london, which is probably the most failed city in the -- survveiled city in the world. we're getting money to put coordinated cameras, public safety cameras into new york. holding back most american cities now are funds. they're laying police officers. if they can't hire police, they don't have money for cameras. most of the images i saw related to the identification of these two kids were from private cameras, lord & taylor, diff
but at some point in time, go with miranda, that's fine. but in the initial stages, we don't want to repeat with the underwear bomber. >> brian: which is hours after, he lawyered up and shut up. >> this idea combatant versus criminal, i'm not particularly in the enemy combatant point from everything i'm hearing. >> gretchen: let me ask you about the cameras. so many people were fascinated by the amazing work the f.b.i. did do initially and going through hundreds and thousands...
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that window now has closed that limited scope that they were able to focus on before reading him his miranda rights? >> not necessarily. that could go independently. i guess now that they've had this initial appearance, i suppose that's a fair assumption. it isn't automatic but that's probably right. >> what about michael isikoff, our colleague is reporting that i.c.e. homeland security has focused on new bedford, massachusetts and two individuals were taken in for immigration violations and they apparently are friends of tamerlan tsarnaev. can you tell me any more about that? >> these are people, i presume he is talking about people detained in new bedford, massachusetts on friday evening. the fbi has been trying to investigate whether they had any knowledge of this. whether they had any role in it. they seem to have concluded that they don't. but they're being held for now on immigration charges pending further investigation. >> and before i let you go, i know you have more to cover. 2009, this police report of tamerlan tsarnaev being arrested on domestic violence allegations. that has bee
that window now has closed that limited scope that they were able to focus on before reading him his miranda rights? >> not necessarily. that could go independently. i guess now that they've had this initial appearance, i suppose that's a fair assumption. it isn't automatic but that's probably right. >> what about michael isikoff, our colleague is reporting that i.c.e. homeland security has focused on new bedford, massachusetts and two individuals were taken in for immigration...
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if they don't read him his miranda rights right away, you okay with that? >> well, look. i think the public safety exception is being greatly and overly expanded in this instance. the public safety exception as the supreme court laid out is for an instance when an officer walks up on a situation and sees an empty holster and says where's your gun. that's to prevent an imminent threat from happening right then. what they are doing now is really expanding that public safety exception to say really the fifth amendment applies when they say it does and i don't think the supreme court is going to uphold that down the line. the supreme court actually heard oral argument on a case very similar out of texas last week where their argument was the fifth amendment doesn't apply until we read the miranda rights. so we may have an answer to that sooner than we think. >> christopher -- >> would it make any difference -- i'm sorry, fred. just want a little follow-up. would it make any difference if the u.s. were to revoke his naturalized u.s. citizenship as far as the law is concerned?
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he's now arrested he was not read his miranda rights. federal agents electing, instead, to invoke the public safety threat exemption. th allows them to continue questioning him. meantime, on the other side of the police tape, as everything was happening here, of the celebrations were building. people were huddled around radios, as they got news they wanted to hear, cheers went out from the people of this little town, watertown. and after it was all done, a great cheer went out and spontaneously the people elected toine both sides of the road. forming a gauntlet, a makeshift parade as the emergency crews and tactical teams started leaving this location. they cheered for them, came out with patriotic songs. some of the people said they're glad it's over, they're glad that the suspect survived because he can be questioned. they also said that now is the time to remember people like sean collier, the massachusetts institute of technology campus policeman who was killed in the early stages of that frenzy and chase that ensued a day or so ago.
he's now arrested he was not read his miranda rights. federal agents electing, instead, to invoke the public safety threat exemption. th allows them to continue questioning him. meantime, on the other side of the police tape, as everything was happening here, of the celebrations were building. people were huddled around radios, as they got news they wanted to hear, cheers went out from the people of this little town, watertown. and after it was all done, a great cheer went out and spontaneously...
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for instance now we know that joe hart was not read his miranda rights in the beginning and there was a lot of questions as to why that wasn't happening but it's that turns out president obama and the f.b.i. and the local officials said that he was not do read those rights because of the public safety exception now the obama administration expanded those illegal mental those safety public safety exceptions in two thousand and eleven but i have to ask you do these kind of exceptions to rules undermine the constitution. well this is a case this issue's been settled by the supreme court it was so it a case of the mid eighty's i believe ninety six that's the name of this case of state at the moment but this is something that the supreme court has reviewed it up held ask corsa to tional in certain circles in certain situations. personally i'm not really sure what could have been a tape from them when he was unconscious at what he was in such a terrible state when he was picked out of that boat because the gentleman. the suspect was just. pretty much incapacitated whether they removed him f
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courts for that purpose. >> so you just mentioned miranda. so the other thing, the big thing that happened today there are two remarkable events today. there was the filing of the criminal complaint, which i was waving around, and they released a suspect of a procedural hearing that happened actually at the bedside in the hospital with a federal magistrate who was brought in. that federal magistrate informed dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect, of his rights to counsel, and there was actually defense counsel present. my question to you is he was apprehended friday night. he has been in and out of consciousness as far as we can tell. he has a throat wound, so he is writing things down. the administration has made use of a public safety exception in not reading him his rights. and i want to read from a memo in 2010 that went out to the fbi from the justice department that says there may be exceptional cases in which although all relevant public safety questions have been asked, are there other plots, other bombs, et cetera, agents noneth
courts for that purpose. >> so you just mentioned miranda. so the other thing, the big thing that happened today there are two remarkable events today. there was the filing of the criminal complaint, which i was waving around, and they released a suspect of a procedural hearing that happened actually at the bedside in the hospital with a federal magistrate who was brought in. that federal magistrate informed dzhokhar tsarnaev, the 19-year-old suspect, of his rights to counsel, and there...
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he is under heavy guard protection, but one of the issues is whether or not he will be given his miranda rights. is he a u.s. citizen and under the constitution considered innocent until proven guilty, or is he an enemy combat? guest: you have people from the aclu and other supporters of civil liberties saying you have cases where -- you have the same two senators, john mccain and lindsey graham, who said this person is a terrorist and should not have miranda rights. it seems the obama administration is going to be straddling the middle ground, as they did with the so-called underwear bomber from a few years ago. host: "national journal" reporting the headline, "pete williams' reporting philosophy d y was g boon sighttory r guest: i would have to say that pete williams is the best i have ever come across, so measured and sofer. is amazing he was able to be showcased the way he was. this was a complicated story. a lot of journalists for getting the facts wrong as it was developing in real time, but pete williams was a constant force who was right 100% of the way. it is a model to all of u
he is under heavy guard protection, but one of the issues is whether or not he will be given his miranda rights. is he a u.s. citizen and under the constitution considered innocent until proven guilty, or is he an enemy combat? guest: you have people from the aclu and other supporters of civil liberties saying you have cases where -- you have the same two senators, john mccain and lindsey graham, who said this person is a terrorist and should not have miranda rights. it seems the obama...
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. >> i think the miranda issue is an easier issue. he doesn't have to be mar lindaized for a lot of reason. first of all, they have enough evidence to convict him without getting a confession from him. all miranda gets you is a confession you can use in court. you can use that information for everything else. remember, he confessed already to the guy they kidnapped. the guy he kidnapped says, these two guys told us, we did the bombing. they got great witness and they got a great confession. maybe even better than a law enforcement confession where you can claim it was forced out of you. they gave a upon takenious confession -- spontaneous confession. >> bob wants to get in here. so then why did they need to make that statement? i'm trying to figure out why they made that statement? >> i don't know exactly why they made it. maybe because they got so much criticism -- remember the christmas morning bomber that they mirandaized right away, lost the opportunity to get information from him? so i think maybe they were playing defense. >> le
. >> i think the miranda issue is an easier issue. he doesn't have to be mar lindaized for a lot of reason. first of all, they have enough evidence to convict him without getting a confession from him. all miranda gets you is a confession you can use in court. you can use that information for everything else. remember, he confessed already to the guy they kidnapped. the guy he kidnapped says, these two guys told us, we did the bombing. they got great witness and they got a great...